Joined Feb 3, 2011 Messages 12,075 Location N. Texas and S. Africa. If my rifle is zeroed at 200 or 300 yards, that zero will only be spot on at the place I zeroed that day. It says that at around the halfway point of 250 yards the bullet will have slowed 580fps to a velocity of 2520fps, lost 688 ft pounds of energy (now pushing just 1339 lbs), and dropped due to gravitational forces just 5.9833 inches, and all of this in just a fraction of a second (.269 of a second). I have standardized my bolt-action testing a bit, testing more .223 Remington and .270 Winchester rifles than anything else. Actually, MRT occurs a little beyond the half-way point – like around 115 for the 200-yard zero, and 170 yards for the 300-yard zero. Now when you go back to Georgia swamps, you might consider re zeroing at 100 yards for making head shots at shorter ranges. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk . Comparing Figures 5 and 7 you can see why range estimation with a hunting rifle is much less critical. However, assuming you are shooting Remington 95gr Accutip @ … Reply For most center fire rifles in a hunting role you want to ZERO the rifle at 200 yards. A little over 2 inches high at 50 yards. When zeroed at 25 yards the round will also be zeroed at 300 yards. Running the figures as per the factory loads does come out pretty close for a 200 yard zero, 1.1" high at 100 yards but it all depends on your own rifle. 204 Ruger 32 gr. The trajectory of my .30-06 load will put a 165gr pill in a 16" circle out to 348 yards. Since the bullet begins below the scope at the point of trigger pull, it starts below the point of aim. arizona, Oct 11, 2012 #1. My normal process is to shoot at 50, 100, then move to 200 but my 100 yard range is closed and I don’t want to go to the range and start slinging ammo just wasting it. 204 Ruger 39 gr. A 200 or 300 yard zero will include adjustment for drop, environmental conditions, as well as a correction for any wind. It is important to realize that with a .308 rifle, 200-300 yards is a good shooting distance. THE 200-YARD ZERO Sighting in your high-power deer rifle at 100 yards is a waste of a perfectly good flat trajectory. For those that have attended the courses now know that when it comes to your go-to 5.56 caliber carbine rifle that you would pick because it is best suited for all possible scenarios, the 36 yard zero seems to be the perfect fit. Make any adjustments that are needed. How to zero for 50 and 200 yards with Frank Proctor. 25 Yard Zero – I don’t care at all for sighting in at 25 yards. Other riflemen who routinely hunt areas where shots of 300 yards or more aren’t uncommon sometimes opt for a 200-yard zero. At 1,000 yards, that translates to 10-inch or 10 MOA groups. I suggest you zero at 100. I'd say you aren't getting close to the factory stated velocity. There is only one drawback to having the 17 HMR we have been discussing zeroed at 25 yards. The trajectory path at 50 yards is 1.2 inches high, at 100 yards the bullet is 2.9 inches high, at 200 yards 2.3 inches high and at 300 yards the bullet only drops 3.8 inches. A Note On Windage It is a clean design that is easy to see even at 200 yards with a 20x scope. Reactions: bradb, Gunnersdad49 and General RE LEE. At 100 yards your will be slightly over 2 inches high. This makes for a simple and quick correction in the scope not requiring holdover in an imaginary space above the back of the animal. 165 grain accubonds, not sure of velocity I don’t have a chrono. 1″ at 100 yards and 12″ at 1200 yards are both 1 MOA. Anything less than 200 will not effect your shot placement enough to worry about,and even going out to 300 yards is a minor adjustment (6-8 inches depending on bullet ballistics and weight). Set targets out to 200 yards. A 20-yard zero will see the bullet climb through point-of-aim at 20 yards and not drop back through until approximately 62 yards, during which time the bullet will only climb to a maximum of .56″ at 40 yards. I have heard a lot about using a 50-200 yard zero, but would like to know how well it really works. Adjust the scope so the rifle shoots three inches high at l00, and you’ll reach 300 yards with a mere one inch of drop! The only difference betweel a 100 yard zero at 1000 yards and a 200 yard zero at 1000 yards is where the outer knob is sitting. You can also use the top circles as a 200yard zero when aiming at the red squares at 100 yards. How Far Can A 12 Gauge Slug Shoot. If it makes a difference, the bullet weight is 95gr. 100. Start with it truly zeroed and then dial from there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk . The 50/200 and similar type zeroes are a myth. the 50-200 yard zero. It’s taking people backwards. 30-06 doesn't drop much at 200 yards. (17 Cal) 37 gr. “With a 100-yard zero, there’s just that easy one-to-one correspondence,” says Vaughn. With a 6.5 Creedmor, in PRS matches out to 1000 yards I don't even spin the dial one whole revolution with a 100 yard zero. VLD 3400 5 0.204 .204 Ruger Cartridge Federal Cartridge .204 dia. Once you are shooting consistently at 100 yards, you can move the target even further out. Shot placement for a deer at 170, 200, or 230 yards shot using the 200 yard sight. That means that with a 100-yard zero, the bullet will rise ½ inch above line of sight at 50 yards; 1.8 inches above at 100 yards with a 200-yard zero, and 4.7 inches above at 150 yards with a 300-yard zero. That means having it hit 1.75 to 2.0 inches high at 100 yards. Staff member. What if you zero your gun at 250 yard? Are there any good guides as to how to compensate for crosswinds? DJSpradley said: Well after almost 2 years I am … According to remingtons ballistic charts for the bullet you specified, if it's zeroed at 200 yards, dropping down to 100 yards you're anywhere from 1.7-2.1 inches high, dropping back another 50 yards won't increase your compensation by much at all. “You can figure it in your head.” But if your zero is at 200-yards, 250-yards or 300-yards, and your target is at 725 yards? Zeroed to take advantage of its maximum point blank range (+/- 3 inches) it is a 292 yard load. If you could provide the manufacturer of the ammunition you are using that would be very helpful. Remember, a MOA is an angular measurement that gets bigger with distance. Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. This places that same .270 bullet 0.4 inches low at 25 yards, 1.41 inches high at 100 yards, 2.51 inches low at 250 yards and finally slips below the 6 inch vital zone at 257 yards. The actual erector assembly is in the same place thus travel is the same. A 30 yard uncertainty in range estimation has almost no effect, at least within 300 yards. He also earned the rank of Grand Master in Limited division of … All in all this is a great round for deer and medium sized game up to around 200-300 yards. If you get an iron sight zero at 50 meters, then you zeroed only for 50 meters. At 200 yards it’s only dropped around 10 inches. That is from 50 to 150 yards you will shoot slightly high. Now, move the paper targets to 200 yards and repeat the whole process. The_Next_Generation Member. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 50/200 yard zero. For you folks that dial for distance on your hunting rigs, do you Zero your rifles for 100 or 200 yards? For competition, I generally use a 100 yard zero, mostly due to habit, convenience, and my drops are memorized. With a 200 yard zero, the bullet drop at 300 yards is only 6.8 inches. Concepts such as what you’re promoting are akin to the military 25/300 zeros that allow for a person to miss head shots as close as 100 yards because of the higher allowed maximum ordinate. The 50/200 zero variations and the 100 yard zero work well because they have been tested and had various bugs worked out. Many factors will influence your own results. Drawbacks to a 25 yard zero. Joined: Sep 27, 2011 Messages: 917 Location: USA. Where should I sight I'm my rifle at 25 yards to obtain a 200 yard zero? Meet Frank Proctor … Frank spent his last 11 years in the military n US Army Special Forces. A 200-yard zero puts its 140-grain bullet only 1½ inches over sightline at l00. inches to zero at 200 yards. maybe a 1/2 inch tops. The most common short-range zero is 100 yards, and the most common long-range zero is 200 yards, which is an indication that the peak performance window for most hunting bullets comes at velocities from 100 to 200 yards from the muzzle. 100 Yard Zero – Not a bad option at all. Now you must do some fancy calculating. He trained DOD personnel in Combat Marksmanship, Close Quarters Battle, Breaching and Sniper/Observer Operations in addition to deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq. If 200 yards is a long shot for you then the 100 yard zero would probably be best for you and just aim straight on all the time. Feb 14, 2020 #2 R. Rmauch20 Senior Member. If 1 MOA is 1″ at 100 yards, how many MOA is 2″ at 200 yards? Some hunters, using a simple duplex reticle, will opt to keep that three-shot group an inch or two high at 100 yards instead of shooting dead center in order to better prepare for 200-plus yard shots. If you are in a situation where you think a 200 will give you a better "point blank" range, then just dial the turret to 200. Joined Jan 15, 2017 Messages 336 Location Salina, KS. With a zero of 100 yards the .223/5.56 round will impact approx 3/4″ low at 50 yards and around 2.25″ low at 200 yards. TBRW - 200 Yard Zero TBRW Group. Ballistics charts are all very well, but there’s nothing like practical experience in the matter. Also, 100 yards is short enough distance where wind is not a major factor. Moving forward, it seems like a good time to explore more 6.5 Creedmoor offerings. Will a rifle sighted for 50 yards (ascending bullet) really be on target for 200 as the bullet descends? This is only .37″ higher than the maximum apogee of the 25-yard zero’s trajectory. The following is a 1000 yard 30-06 ballistic charting of a Remington 30-06 Springfield 165 Grain AccuTip Boat Tail with a BC (Ballistic Coeficient) of .447 that was created using our free online ballistic calculator and details the trajectory of the bullets flight from the millisecond it leaves the barrel until the time it reaches the 1,000 yd mark. Bullet Diameter: Caliber: Cartridge / Bullet Bullet Manufacturer: Bullet Description Muzzle Velocity (fps) 5 0.172 .17 HMR Cartridge Berger .172 dia. I sight my 204s in at 200 yards as they are about 3/4 inch high at 100 yards and about 3.3 inches low at 300 yards (aim at head) and you are right on by aiming right on them. Where should I be sighted in at 50 to get my zero at 200? Nosler Ballistic Tip 4030 3 0.204 .204 Ruger Cartridge Federal Cartridge .204 dia. Rob01 Super Mod. I shoot 300 metre competition using 90gr Berger Boat Tails and they are pretty accurate. I zero at 100 yards because 100 yards is the closest range I don't have to pay money to use and the closest 200 yard range is "under construction" until who knows when. Now, since we're converting from a 100 -yard zero trajectory to a 200-yard zero trajectory, we begin by looking at how much we must adjust to rezero to the new distance. Since one MOA equals 2" at 200 yards, that 5.4 inches at 200 yards equals 2.7 MOA - which is exactly what we will apply in Step Two to all other distances. Note, the left target is also available as a “Powerpoint” file you can display and edit with MS Office. This is still very close. A 12 gauge slug is still traveling at around 1000 ft/s after 100 yards and won’t drop until the 130 yard mark. In the recent carbine courses we have discussed various yard lines to zero your rifles along with the pros and cons of each yard line. I generally like to use a 200 yard zero for my hunting rifles so I can maximize my range in one turret revolution. All your load data fits neatly in the boxes under each target. Mar 5, 2015 #3 WildRose Well-Known Member. It is still just 1 MOA. May 26, 2020 #2 T. Tmac Senior Member. So the actual answer is zero. If your bullets are impacting 16″ to the left at 800 yards, and ignoring any wind effect for now, how many MOA do you need to adjust and in which direction? Unless you live in the Northeastern big woods or southern swamp country and will never shoot at a deer past 100 yards, you’re far better off zeroing your rifle at 200 yards. If you want to be zeroed for 200 meters, then you need to put your target out at 200 yards and finalize your zero. The 36 Yard Zero Target. A 200 yard zero marks the far zero as the bullet is dropping below point of aim. That said, I (and this is personal) have found it easier to use a 200 yard zero for my hunting rifles. 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